Savage 219 and 220 Single Shot Rifles & Shotguns

Hi,

My Name is Kevin, a new member of the Savage forum. 

I have been corresponding with Garnett Stancil regarding a Savage military marked Model 220 shotgun that I have.

During this great corresponding back and forth, I was also inquiring with Garnett regarding a beautiful original Iver Johnson & Cycle Works single shot champion with military markings that I have as well, looking for information.  Everyone I have spoken to, most have never heard of it, but some have, but never seen one.

Garnett gave me his permission to put out an ask to this forum to see if anyone knows anything about this shotgun.  I have included some pictures.

I would greatly appreciate anyone's input or information regarding what I believe is WWII, on this shotgun.

Thank you very much Garnett for allowing me to post this and thank you everyone on the forum for taking a look.

Kind Regards,
Kevin

I have shot slugs in my shotguns, and found the following advice on full chokes;
Slugs and full choke on old guns
IFish Fishing Forum
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Sep 25, 2020 — Take one of the slug shells, Cut the slug out of it. Drop it down the barrel. If it slides right on down. You are perfectly safe shooting them.

That makes sense to me, if indeed the 220's are full choke models. I see shotguns as being mainly used for bird hunting, and I have only bought slugs for mine in case I need to shoot a bear on our acreage that will not go away, without worrying about something like a rifle round that can travel hundreds of yards to nearby roads or our neighbours place. I also carry a folding shotgun in a small backpack when we go berry picking now, and a slug in my shirt pocket. I never had a bear go after us in the berry patches, but they can be unpredictable. Would I have time to get the shotgun out and load it if a bear came after us? Maybe not, but I do feel like more relaxed knowing I could try and shoot an angry bear, before becoming the subject of one of those Far Side cartoons about hunters!

By the way, slugs do have more recoil. I noticed it when shooting grouse with my 20 gauge and loading in a slug by mistake instead of the #6 birdshot I normally use. Target loads usually also have less recoil than game loads.

Thank you for the info, does the forgrip normally have a external screw holding it in like that? my 20 gauge doesn't have that screw visable when installed....

Thanks for posting the pictures!  You have what I call a “2nd Model Utica”.  Thin trigger with alloy trigger guard.  It is a nice clean gun. Most likely a pre-war production.  The plant moved from Utica in 1946.

I really don’t know the answer to your question, as I am not a hunter/shooter.  I would think if you can shoot slugs out of other full choke guns, there would be no reason the 220 would not handle a slug shell.  I am not very well educated on shooting, as my main interest has always been collecting.  With this said, I would think the slug shells would have more recoil than a shot shell.  Other shooters, am I correct on this?  Anyway, a main factory defect in these guns is the weak thin wood where the stock meets the action.  I have seen .22 Hornets with cracked stocks.  So, it is a good idea for anyone to glass bed their stock before shooting the shotgun/rifle.